Rye Cove rule should be repealed

**Counts** · November 16th, 2009, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

The problems really came about after someone got the notion that all the classifications should have an equal number of teams....then that is compounded by the divisions being divided at the regional level. A definite cut off line for each division statewide fixes both problems. If it means a region ends up with a 3-7 team in the playoffs, so be it...they won't be there long anyways. But, that's the only way to fix the disparity...call it divisions (D1, D2, etc), classifications (A, AA, AAA etc.), whatever you want to call it....but give it a definite cut off point.

I am fine with equal 3rds but thing we should have a 5A or 6 A system in place (Making it equal 5ths or 6ths) and do away with the divisions at the regional level (which I think everyone agrees is where the plan goes horribly wrong)

**PVVikings2006** · November 16th, 2009, 12:02 PM

and possible student movement into Norton City Schools....... could it possibly look like this in the future for Region D?

No need for Rye Cove rule in this scenario... and Clintwood is Division 1... barring a ****enson County consolidation.

Lee - 712
Gate City - 681
Virginia High - 680
J.J. Kelly / Pound - 674 (if 50 kids left Wise for Norton)
Powell Valley / Appalachia - 665 (if 100 kids left PV/Appy for Norton)
John Battle - 655
Lebanon - 546
Coeburn / St. Paul - 490 (if 30 kids left Coe. / St. Paul for Castlewood and 32 kids left for Norton)
J.I. Burton - 434 (if nearly 200 kids left Coeburn, St. Paul, Wise, Appy and PV for Norton)
Honaker - 401

Clintwood - 318
Castlewood - 309
Haysi - 283
Thomas Walker - 279
Rye Cove - 255
Twin Springs - 244
Twin Valley - 240
Hurley - 201
Ervinton - 172
Council - 152

and if you have the addition of these four schools from Region IV..... Grundy, Graham, Richlands and Tazewell... it could look like this.

Richlands - 781
Tazewell - 724
Lee - 712
Gate City - 681
Virginia High - 680
J.J. Kelly / Pound - 674 (if 50 kids left Wise for Norton)
Powell Valley / Appalachia - 665 (if 100 kids left PV/Appy for Norton)
John Battle - 655
Lebanon - 546
Graham - 523
Coeburn / St. Paul - 490 (if 30 kids left Coe. / St. Paul for Castlewood and 32 kids left for Norton)
Grundy - 438

J.I. Burton - 434 (if nearly 200 kids left Coeburn, St. Paul, Wise, Appy and PV for Norton)
Honaker - 401
Clintwood - 318
Castlewood - 309
Haysi - 283
Thomas Walker - 279
Rye Cove - 255
Twin Springs - 244
Twin Valley - 240
Hurley - 201
Ervinton - 172
Council - 152

Sportsman* · November 16th, 2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by PVVikings2006

and possible student movement into Norton City Schools....... could it possibly look like this in the future for Region D?

No need for Rye Cove rule in this scenario... and Clintwood is Division 1... barring a ****enson County consolidation.

Lee - 712
Gate City - 681
Virginia High - 680
J.J. Kelly / Pound - 674 (if 50 kids left Wise for Norton)
Powell Valley / Appalachia - 665 (if 100 kids left PV/Appy for Norton)
John Battle - 655
Lebanon - 546
Coeburn / St. Paul - 490 (if 30 kids left Coe. / St. Paul for Castlewood and 32 kids left for Norton)
J.I. Burton - 434 (if nearly 200 kids left Coeburn, St. Paul, Wise, Appy and PV for Norton)
Honaker - 401

Clintwood - 318
Castlewood - 309
Haysi - 283
Thomas Walker - 279
Rye Cove - 255
Twin Springs - 244
Twin Valley - 240
Hurley - 201
Ervinton - 172
Council - 152

and if you have the addition of these four schools from Region IV..... Grundy, Graham, Richlands and Tazewell... it could look like this.

Richlands - 781
Tazewell - 724
Lee - 712
Gate City - 681
Virginia High - 680
J.J. Kelly / Pound - 674 (if 50 kids left Wise for Norton)
Powell Valley / Appalachia - 665 (if 100 kids left PV/Appy for Norton)
John Battle - 655
Lebanon - 546
Graham - 523
Coeburn / St. Paul - 490 (if 30 kids left Coe. / St. Paul for Castlewood and 32 kids left for Norton)
Grundy - 438

J.I. Burton - 434 (if nearly 200 kids left Coeburn, St. Paul, Wise, Appy and PV for Norton)
Honaker - 401
Clintwood - 318
Castlewood - 309
Haysi - 283
Thomas Walker - 279
Rye Cove - 255
Twin Springs - 244
Twin Valley - 240
Hurley - 201
Ervinton - 172
Council - 152

Plenty of "folks in the know" from Dikenson County tell me they will be consolidated very soon, before Wise County does.

**PVVikings2006** · November 16th, 2009, 12:29 PM

I know that none of this will never happen... but just interesting to speculate and think on.

Including the drop down of the 4 schools from Group AA?
A ****enson County consolidation?
A Buchanan County consolidation?
A Scott County consolidation?

Richlands - 781 - Black Diamond
Clintwood/Haysi/Ervinton - 773 - Lonesome Pine
Tazewell - 724 - Black Diamond
Lee - 712 - Clinch Mountain
Gate City - 681 - Clinch Mountain
Virginia High - 680 - Clinch Mountain
J.J. Kelly / Pound - 674 (if 50 kids left Wise for Norton) - Lonesome Pine
Powell Valley / Appalachia - 665 (if 100 kids left PV/Appy for Norton) - Lonesome Pine
John Battle - 655 - Clinch Mountain
Grundy/Council - 590 - Black Diamond

Lebanon - 546 - Clinch Mountain
Graham - 523 - Black Diamond
Coeburn / St. Paul - 490 (if 30 kids left Coe. / St. Paul for Castlewood and 32 kids left for Norton) - Lonesome Pine
Twin Springs/Rye Cove - 499 - Cumberland
J.I. Burton - 434 (if nearly 200 kids left Coeburn, St. Paul, Wise, Appy and PV for Norton) - Lonesome Pine
Hurley/Twin Valley - 401 - Black Diamond
Honaker - 401 - Clinch Mountain
Castlewood - 309 - Cumberland
Thomas Walker - 279 - Cumberland

Largest to Smallest schools by enrollment

Black Diamond - (Enrollment Distribution - 781 to 401) Difference of 380
Richlands
Tazewell
Grundy/Council
Graham
Hurley/Twin Valley

Clinch Mountain - (Enrollment Distribution - 681 to 401) Difference of 280
Gate City
Virginia High
John Battle
Lebanon
Honaker

Lonesome Pine - (Enrollment Distribution - 773 to 434) Difference of 339
Clintwood/Haysi/Ervinton
JJ Kelly/Pound
Appalachia/Powell Valley
Coeburn/St. Paul
JI Burton

Cumberland (Enrollment Distribution - 712 - 279) Difference of 433
Lee
Twin Springs/Rye Cove
Castlewood
Thomas Walker

**SilveradoZ71** · November 16th, 2009, 05:23 PM

The "Rye Cove" rule was supposedly designed to give smaller schools an opportunity to compete at a lower division level rather than competing against the larger schools in the Region. But, the rule has created the exact type of situation it was supposed to alleviate.

With Clintwood and Haysi dropping down to Div I, it allows them to compete against much smaller schools and gain a competitive advantage (Clintwood has about 3 x the enrollment of St. Paul from the enrollment figures on the VHSL website). So, where do the smallest of the schools (Appalachia, Pound, St Paul, etc) drop to in order to gain a competitive advantage? Nowhere! They have no choice.

**starbuck** · November 16th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by SilveradoZ71

where do (Appalachia, Pound, St Paul, etc) drop to in order to gain a competitive advantage? Nowhere! They have no choice.

I think they won't have to worry about that much longer

**VHSLhelper** · November 17th, 2009, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by SilveradoZ71

The "Rye Cove" rule was supposedly designed to give smaller schools an opportunity to compete at a lower division level rather than competing against the larger schools in the Region. But, the rule has created the exact type of situation it was supposed to alleviate.

That''s because you misunderstand the rule.
The "Rye Cove" rule WAS designed to give smaller schools an opportunity to compete at a lower division level rather than competing against the larger schools in the STATE... not Region.

**simple man** · November 17th, 2009, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by VHSLhelper

That''s because you misunderstand the rule.
The "Rye Cove" rule WAS designed to give smaller schools an opportunity to compete at a lower division level rather than competing against the larger schools in the STATE... not Region.

So that rule isn't based on regional enrollment, correct? I didn't think so. It needs about 5 or 6 hard number cut off points.

**Counts** · November 17th, 2009, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by simple man

So that rule isn't based on regional enrollment, correct? I didn't think so. It needs about 5 or 6 hard number cut off points.

The only reason it is a regional thing is becouse Region B had so few Div 1 teams and the VHSL took the easy fix insted of revamping there playoff system

**Counts** · November 17th, 2009, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sportsman*

Plenty of "folks in the know" from Dikenson County tell me they will be consolidated very soon, before Wise County does.

I have no frigging clue what will happen in DC.....Late last year and early this year the word was Ervinton would be closed and split between Clintwood and Haysi by 2011 then there is the Idea that a new school is being looked at on caney Ridge near the 4-way (Not bad for Clintwood and Ervinton but a death march for haysi) the old idea of the school being in Clinchco has been scraped (Floodplain?).......I get the feeling that DC is waiting for Wise to make there final plans before makeing a move of there own (not sure why)